The Philosophical Computer

A few years ago, I wrote a journal entry on my deviantART page, titled Brainfood. Along with it, I created the drawing as seen below. I called it The Philosophical Computer. A computer with a low form of conscience, thinking about why he exists.



I enjoyed thinking about modern technology in a philosophical way. I think it makes it easier to understand the questions we may have about ourselves and our world. Therefor, I decided to make this idea a common category on this blog, recognizable by the computer icon in the upper right of the post.

Especially with the current developments in Second Life, I think it becomes even clearer. After all, we now have a true 3rd person in its own world. Of course it's controlled by a human somewhere in meatspace, but it should be fun thinking about the avatars as if they have a consciousness and a free will. I may let it move forward, he thinks he walks by himself.

So from now on, I'll be calling this "The Philosophical Computer". I must admit I haven't checked yet, but if something like this already exists, let me know :P
Hope you enjoy!

I have a blog now!

Yes, it is true. I have given in and started a blog. The person that leaves his devART journal untouched for months (just because there's nothing interesting to say) has a blog. Why?

(crossposted to my deviantART page)

Well, it goes back a long way really. As you may know, I became a Second Life Resident on December 12, 2006. I liked the building and scripting there, so I made my first careful steps in creating. I'm not sure how exactly one thing led to another, but it was something like this:

I had read about sim crashes and thought that's be the worst thing that could happen. So for my first scripting steps, I searched for an empty region and picked Aswan to do my scripting. I figured, then if I do something stupid and crash the region, nobody is harmed.

So I scripted there and when I was done, I went on exploring the areas around Aswan. I flew South and noticed a huge sculpture there. It turned out that sculpture was called The Maestro and it was on display at Oyster Bay. I checked the place out and liked it, the aquarium very much too.

I did see the owner Morris Vig there, but he was talking to somebody and I didn't want to disturb. So I visited the Aquarium and made a small donation (I believe it was L$5 or L$10) to Oyster Bay. Only a minute later or so I got an IM from Morris, thanking me for the donation. It must've been the only time in SL history I actually got a "Thank You" for a donation, and to think it was such a terribly small donation too! Morris then invited me to the Oyster Bay group, a title I from then on wore with pride! I felt now accepted in SL. I should note before this I only really had contact with anybody other than the people I already knew from a Dutch forum.

Because I now was member of the Oyster Bay group, I received a Notice of the Avatars Against The War party with DJ Doubledown Tandino. This party was on Sunday, January 28 2007.

There I also learned of the protests coming up at Second Life's virtual Capitol Hill. And being against the war myself, I also went there.

One and a half hour into the protest, an avatar named Spider Mycron joined us. Spider is an Iraqi, so he could tell us exactly how the war affected life in Iraq.
He talked for over an hour and already during this conversation, people suggested we needed to get his story out to the world. I figured it'd be a good idea for me to put it on a blog, because I had recently joined a project named "Scoopt Words".

Scoopt is a site where everybody can upload newsworthy photos, allowing journalists around the world to buy those photos. Scoopt Words was similar, but instead of photos the dealt with news posted on people's blogs. I must add the Scoopt Words project no longer exists now. It was an experiment, but apparently didn't quite work as expected. So it was only during that short time these events had to lead to me starting a blog!

So back at the end of January 2007, I posted the chatlog of Spider's conversation during the protest. And putting my blog on Scoopt Words, I actually got an e-mail from a Scoopt employee, telling me they'd try to get the story out. But unfortunately I've never heard anything of it since, and at this time, the Dutch tv already has a blog of an Iraqi man up, so I'm sure there's more info on that to be found there.

I had enormous problems posting on Blogger using Opera on my Mac, I'd posted the entries with the chatlog on a Windoze machine. Needless to say, once I had posted all about the protest, I didn't continue blogging.

However, I always kept it open in a tab, so I could never forget I had the possibility of posting things I'd like to tell the world. Early August 2007, exactly 6 months after my last Iraq post, I wanted to see if maybe it worked now. And yes! I was able to make a post, with some minor Blogger issues.

But seeing it worked, I started to like it some more. And soon I posted more, even though they're not all the best posts in the world. I was searching and waiting for inspiration and just today I found that.

Even though today's post is a bit silly, I think it takes practice to find inspiration. After all, I've just typed this whole, huge post too! Sorry about that, btw.
Thank you for your interest (if you are interested, of course)!

Sometimes you need to stand still

A few weeks ago, I quite terribly hurt one of my toes while clipping its nail. It took some time to heal, but due to the nature of its current state, it will take some more time to fully recover. But now it doesn't hurt anymore at least, and I can do anything I want.

However a few days ago, when it still hurt a bit, I was going to spend the day with a friend. I had to walk for 20 minutes to the train station, early in the morning, so I was in a bit of a hurry. I put my shoe on too fast and hurt the toe again. I could hardly walk! I really didn't want to miss my train, so I just went as fast as possible, which wasn't nearly fast enough. I feared for the worst.

Then it happened. I neared a crossing where I had to wait a few seconds for some bicycles. When I started walking again, I noticed the pain was gone. Or at least, most of it. I quickly walked on to the station and arrived there well in time. So my lesson for the day was, sometimes you need to stand still in order to move forward.

Of course everybody knows you have to let your body rest after an injury, but it is my opinion this also goes for everything else. Nowadays people (and corporations) think to stand still is to move backwards, but if you keep going forward all the time, even if you face problems, chances are in the long run you only get more problems.

This week, there are two situations where I told people to take their time, slow down if necessary, because in my opinion that would only solve issues faster.

The first situation was at Oyster Bay, where due to a simple error, a large part of the build disappeared. The owner Morris Vig doesn't have the time to fix this right away (and it's a lot of work too), so I told him to take his time. It's no use if he'd just throw everything from his Lost & Found folder back onto the land. Yes, then it's be fixed fast, but it's not getting any prettier.

The second situation is the scheduled maintenance on the Second Life servers. While I write this, the grid is closed. I commented on the blog I'd rather have to wait a bit longer than to jump right back inworld and find I can't rez, teleport, pay...

There sure are much more people having problems at the time, to them I'd like to say the exact same thing. Take your time sorting everything out. You can try to move on and partially ignore your problems, that won't get you anywhere in the long run. Sometimes you need to stand still in order to move forward.

Places of interest

This is a list of my favorite places in Second Life, including some extra info on it (like Linden Office Hours). The list will be edited over time, when I find more places to add, delete places that aren't there anymore or add more info. I'll add a link to this post in the sidebar, to keep it accessible at all times.

Please excuse the mess the page currently is, it's a work in progress. More places will be added soon!

Table of contents

• Art


• Linden's Offices


• Truly Outrageous (aka Areas of Outstanding Virtual Beauty. The catchphrase Truly Outrageous is inspired by the 1980s TV show Jem)


• No Component

Crescent Moon Museum
If you like art, surely you also like a good museum. And that's what Crescent Moon is, they have the coolest art on display and it's especially interested in Starax/Light Waves works. The museum is the oldest art museum in SL! It's just cool.

Crescent Moon Museum is owned by Tayzia Abattoir.

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Gallery Tamrannoch
There are always amazing works of art to be found at the Gallery. Mostly photography, but also other 2D art. But also 3D art! And if that's not enonugh, there are also live music performances often.
Gallery Tamrannoch and Sea Song Gallery in the region directly adjacent belong together and are owned by Autopilotpatty Poppy (or just "Miss Poppy").

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The Photography Studio in Grignano
Organizes a monthly photo contest! :D

Blog more or less associated: Second Life Art News



Bridie Linden's House
Release Candidate (and General) Triage is Wednesdays 3 PM PDT at Bridie's House.

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Torley Watermelinden Land of Happiness, Fruit, & Recitations
Torley Linden's Office.
Torley's Office Hours:
Thursdays 12 PM PDT.

Torley has a blog: Torley Lives.



International Spaceflight Museum
Since I found this late 2006/early 2007, the ISM has become much larger (or at least, so it seems). And I think it is expanding still. Whenever something new happens, like a shuttle launch, people gather here to watch the event live on video screens.

The museum also has a website.

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Lauk's Nest
A well-known place in SL. It often has new artwork on display and there's always the Mayan temple to explore.

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Shivar
One of the first places I found in SL. It was still winter then, so all was covered in snow. Back then I couldn't believe this was all made in SL using the same sort of plywood prims I had rezzed on Help Island. The great artist behind it all is YadNi Monde.

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Splash Aquatics
Amazing world beneath the waves. Splash has an aquarium and all the tools you'd need if you want your own water decorations.

No Component

Centre For Water Studies @ Better World Island
Lots of info on how to make a Better World. I like the Water Studies a lot here, relaxing pond with animals.

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Ubuntu
This is new for me, I found it recently after visiting Better World and thought it was a cool place.

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Intemptesta Nox
Also new for me, apparently a Phantom Of The Opera themed region. Looks very good, but those Builder's Grids and plywood floors make me think it's a work in progress...

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Imagination Breeding
It's a zoo! Also one of the first places I found in January 2007. I was happy to see it still exists today.

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Brenner
A region with some cool stuff put there by Lindens.

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Climbable Beanstalk
Made by Steller Sunshine, this beanstalk is a piece of SL history. A prize will be awarded if people can show they can climb it without flying or other tools.

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Balloon Tour of Linden Village
Even though the tour only covers Ambleside and Linden Village has grown immensely since the Tour started, it is still fun. Be sure to yell "Hi" if you see any Lindens in the Village. ;)

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SL History Museum
Lots of photos, notecards and items from the history of our beloved Second Life. Be sure to grab your free "Primitar" here. Primitar is the very first avatar in SL, even from before SL was SL! You can see Primitar in action in this video.

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Rodeo Forest
A place of historical value, especially to the Jack family.

What's this all about then?

So for some reason you stumbled upon this blog and you'd like to know what it's about. There are some posts with a chatlog of some sort you see and a rant at Google for not being able to make a user-friendly blog/photo service. What else can you expect?

The short answer is this blog will be about everything. Everything I have an opinion about (or not); everything I just want to say (this entry is an example of that); good, underestimated YouTube vids maybe; Second Life; rants; praise... Everything!

You may ask yourself, is there a reason to keep an eye on this blog then? If it's all about my opinion and what I have to say, what's in it for you? I can't answer that question, that's exactly where you come in. If you like my posts, then watch this blog, if you don't, then don't. Feel free to leave comments, I'll read them all and always try to say something back. Just be respectful and everything. I'm sure you're sensible enough :)

Last question you might want to ask, what is Young Media? Well, my name is Daedalus Young (actually, that's my Second Life name, which is good enough for here), so that's where Young comes from. And I'm into everything media, art, photography, film, tv, radio, internet. So that makes Young Media. This blog will not specifically or necessarily cover only those subjects, but you can expect it. (Also follow these links to get a better idea of what I find fun/interesting/weird/amusing)

If you have any more questions, ask them here. I hope you will enjoy reading my thoughts and we can inspire eachother. Have fun!

Blogger and Opera: Does it finally work now?

This is really a test post to see if Blogger now finally can be used on the best browser ever made: Opera.

Back when I posted the Avatars Against The War posts, I had to do so using Safari on my Mac and the awfully slow Internet Exploder on an awfully slow Windoze machine. And even then, I couldn't upload images, that's why I used deviantART embedded images.

Now I recently tried logging in again, which failed a few times until I realized blogger.com needs google.com cookies. I usually have in my Opera prefs "Accept only cookies from the site I visit" checked, as I don't want some crappy bannersite planting cookies on my machine. Changing this setting to allow cookies from external sites, I now was able to login Blogger and post this message.

The only problem now is... The Opera logo at the top right of this message isn't showing, while when I enter its url directly in my browser, it loads fine. :S See this thread.

Update: Somebody pointed me to the Picasa stuff, where uploaded images can be managed and I got a completely different url for the small logo. Pasting that in here seems to fix it. Now I want to delete the larger one from the album, but both the thumbnails appear the same size, and it lacks something useful like... a filename, so I have no idea which to delete. Come on Google, I thought your business was in online tools, I'd have expected you knew how to implement things other sites are using since 2000 already!

Avatars Against The War - Part VI

Last part of the chatlog with Spider Mycron:

[16:30] Delia Lake: true, charles. many of the places we name as countries today were put together by outsiders, not by people who live there
[16:31] Man Michinaga: Escalation rarely soles matters
[16:31] Effulgent Brown: these political lines are what is killing us
[16:31] Man Michinaga: What I'm interested in is the state of iraq, the situation so that we can make more informed decisions as US citizens
[16:31] Charles Gemini: I think media manipulation is killing us, people think they are in one category but they aren't hearing the truth of what these politicans are really doing in their name
[16:32] Marck Guru: most countries do not understand LFOD
[16:32] Man Michinaga: And how we in the US can have the best strategies for urging stability and rebuilding.
[16:32] Caduceus Kyomoon: are any politicians sitting on the line these days
[16:32] Man Michinaga: LFOD?
[16:32] Marck Guru: Live Free Or Die
[16:33] Marck Guru: LFOD
[16:33] Charles Gemini: Stop funding Israeli agression, that's what the US can do real easy, just stop sending them money and weapons! Suddenly their foreign policy will be less belligerent by necessity
[16:34] Charles Gemini: If we're so interested in enforcing UN resolutions we can start with 242 and 338, Israeli withdrawl from Gaza, West Bank and Golan Heights, that will bring a lot more stability
[16:34] Man Michinaga: Now, interesting that the US has only backed Israel only in the past 25 years or so
[16:34] Man Michinaga: Before that, primarily France
[16:34] Effulgent Brown: american history has been tainted, its so bad
[16:34] Charles Gemini: We were sending Israel their weapons during Yom Kippur war in 73 though
[16:35] Marck Guru: not really if you are older you were tought properly now they only teach slavery
[16:35] Man Michinaga: Of course, and the US was supporting the Mujhadim when fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan
[16:35] Charles Gemini: The CIA created Osama, just like Rumsfeld gave Hussein his chemical weapons capacity
[16:35] Effulgent Brown: yeah, history these days is watered down none of it makes sense
[16:35] Man Michinaga: And supporting Usama Bin Laden
[16:36] Man Michinaga: Now, as I see it, history is important
[16:36] Man Michinaga: good to know.
[16:36] Charles Gemini: You're right, its critical
[16:36] Effulgent Brown: we just need to go back and do history from scratch
[16:36] Man Michinaga: But we must not be all talk.
[16:37] Effulgent Brown: if you read financial publications from the 50's its shocking
[16:37] Man Michinaga: People, I may agree, but anger isn't going to get anything done
[16:37] Marck Guru: any countries Tyrany
[16:37] Man Michinaga: So, spreading good information is essential.
[16:37] Charles Gemini: As Jefferson put it on his memorial, I swear upon the altar of God eternal hostility on all tryannies which seek to enslave the minds of men (paraphrased)
[16:38] Man Michinaga: Spider, you probably know Solidad Sugarbeet...
[16:38] Marck Guru: Sl is the perfect way for ALL world residents to be able to learn about others (Countries and People)
[16:38] Keystone Bouchard: yes Marck - that potential is huge
[16:38] Charles Gemini: I agree, words and anger are not enough, we're planning civil disobedience at the office of our pro-war Congressman
[16:38] Man Michinaga: We must also be careful, SL is not a true commons - is is a private enterprise.
[16:38] Effulgent Brown: money is not bound by political lines, it transfers easily for the wealthy and moves as smoothly as they do, its the poor who get locked into totalitarian governments
[16:39] Marck Guru: I take this as an option that very few people have had EVER in the history of the WORLD
[16:39] Man Michinaga: They do not enforce TOSP because they are so busy
[16:39] Charles Gemini: government is often the weapon of the rich to take even more money and power from the poor
[16:39] Man Michinaga: 1: Information.
[16:39] Neologic Cromulent: Amen Charles! I say anyone who's opposed to our desires of world peace should be brutalized into submission until they cooperate!
[16:39] Man Michinaga: 2: communication.
[16:39] Effulgent Brown: like that is happening with venezuela now, they cant drain the country as easily as they would like
[16:39] Charles Gemini: I don't advocate brutality
[16:40] Charles Gemini: But I do advocate nonviolent disobedience
[16:40] Man Michinaga: 3 dissemination of that good material to as many as possible
[16:40] Marck Guru: I have learned more in the past 6months about the world than i have in the last 20 years of traveling to Europe and abroad
[16:40] Effulgent Brown: brutality is committed by the brutal and ignorant
[16:40] Man Michinaga: Spider, have you thought of speaking through the various SL mass media publications?
[16:40] Charles Gemini: IT is our government practicing brutality, abroad and at home, the US is the most imprisoned nation on Earth
[16:40] Neologic Cromulent: Exactly! Which is why we have to use their own weapons against the brutes to get our desired outcome!
[16:41] Charles Gemini: Nonviolence is the only way friend, or we will only replace one tyranny with another
[16:42] Charles Gemini: Don't pay your war taxes, that's nonviolent and effective
[16:42] Marck Guru: However if all the people had not come together for the World Wars we would not have this avail
[16:42] Marck Guru: It takes the WHOLE world to change not just a few
[16:42] Effulgent Brown: hmm only one griefer and he was 3 hours late, lol
[16:42] Neologic Cromulent: well, I've never been punctual...
[16:42] Keystone Bouchard: which griefer is that?
[16:43] Effulgent Brown: some guy, nobody advocates for violence at a peace gathering
[16:43] Spider Mycron: well.. folks
[16:43] Spider Mycron: i have meeting :also
[16:43] Spider Mycron: i wish to keep listen and speak
[16:43] Effulgent Brown: i gotta scram this was nice
[16:43] Man Michinaga: All right.
[16:43] Spider Mycron: thanks so much for how u work on and thimking
[16:43] Man Michinaga: Good getting to know more about you.
[16:43] Marck Guru: thanks to all
[16:43] Spider Mycron: i'm sure we can do something soon
[16:44] Spider Mycron: we will keep intouch
[16:44] Man Michinaga: yes.
[16:44] Effulgent Brown: yeah
[16:44] Spider Mycron: and i'm always with a big pleasure to be with you
[16:44] Spider Mycron: thanks alot and so much
[16:44] Spider Mycron: i love you all and SL :))
[16:44] Spider Mycron: see you soon .. bye for now
[16:44] Marck Guru: bye
[16:44] Keystone Bouchard: bye Spider! Thanks!
[16:44] Delia Lake: bye Spider
[16:44] Daedalus Young: thanks

Avatars Against The War - Part V

And more:

[16:16] Man Michinaga: How is life in Amman currently?
[16:16] Spider Mycron: it's cold, expensive ... ... and critical situation
[16:16] Spider Mycron: pay money always to stay extra month
[16:17] Man Michinaga: Paying to stay in Amman?
[16:17] Spider Mycron: yes MAn
[16:17] Spider Mycron: they don't offer a resident vesa
[16:17] Spider Mycron: so we pay tasks
[16:17] Man Michinaga: I see
[16:17] Spider Mycron: and depends on their mood if they let or they though us out
[16:17] Spider Mycron: bacj to iraq
[16:18] Man Michinaga: Are there any options to get out, maybe get to ankora?
[16:18] Spider Mycron: not sure ... need visa
[16:18] Charles Gemini: Isn't it pilgrimage season? You could get to Mecca
[16:18] Spider Mycron: no way
[16:18] Spider Mycron: i wish
[16:18] Linda Finney: Are you Muslim?
[16:19] Spider Mycron: if i go to syria .i will live on border
[16:19] Effulgent Brown: thats expensive
[16:19] Spider Mycron: yes i'm musslim
[16:19] Spider Mycron: Sunne
[16:19] Effulgent Brown: syria might not be good now, bush is threatening them too
[16:19] Man Michinaga: So, beyond the obvious - what are the issues westerners need to be thinking about in regards to the middle east?
[16:20] Man Michinaga: What is the opinion there now about what the US occupation should do in iraq?
[16:20] Man Michinaga: Should they leave?
[16:21] Spider Mycron: i don't think so
[16:21] Spider Mycron: but they have to be honest one time ...
[16:21] Spider Mycron: at least one time
[16:21] Man Michinaga: SHould they be working towrads political negotiations with Syria and Iran?
[16:21] Spider Mycron: just like japan army
[16:21] Spider Mycron: they came to build and teach ppl new culture
[16:21] Spider Mycron: make the city clean
[16:21] Spider Mycron: they pay monet to who clean his street
[16:21] Man Michinaga: This is the problem, isn't it?
[16:22] Man Michinaga: The US has no idea of the culture of Iraq
[16:22] Spider Mycron: not about culture .. but the army should stay away of civilian
[16:22] Hayduke Ebisu: even we don't... we're here protesting to remove our troops... that might not be a good thing for the people of iraq
[16:22] Man Michinaga: I see.
[16:23] Delia Lake: any way you look at it, the US has made a mess in Iraq
[16:23] Hayduke Ebisu: agreed, delia
[16:23] Effulgent Brown: yes
[16:24] Charles Gemini: HR 4853 would tax the excess profits of reconstruction contractors and investigate why reconstruction dollars aren't going to help people...even if we get US troops out, which is what a majority of Iraqis want, we still owe them reparations through reconstruction funding for years to come
[16:24] Delia Lake: the question is not as simple as should we remove our troops or leave them ther
[16:24] Delia Lake: the questions asked have to be regarding how to develop a peaceful coexistance in the middle east
[16:24] Man Michinaga: Of course, but asking that question opens the door to the better questions.
[16:25] Charles Gemini: The majority of people in both countries want US troops out, but that doesn't mean we wash our hands of all the damage the US has caused in Iraq, both in the 2 Gulf Wars and in our putative sanctions under Bush I and Clinton
[16:25] Delia Lake: and who's voices need to be heard
[16:25] Effulgent Brown: yes, the people of iraq are being left out of both plans, this cannot be solved on this end
[16:26] Delia Lake: and then how do we learn to cooperate for a common good working with people who do not yet understand each other's ways and values
[16:27] Delia Lake: there is no military solution to the complex issues in the middle east
[16:27] Charles Gemini: Another question is whether there is any longer an entity we can call 'iraq' and not two or three countries there that were artificially glommed together by British imperialists 85 years ago, maybe we need to deal with three separate governments for Kurdistan, West-Central Iraq and Southern Iraq
[16:27] Man Michinaga: Exactly.
[16:27] Man Michinaga: this is a very good questions
[16:28] Charles Gemini: I heard today Turkey is considering invading Kurdistan, how do we deal with that?
[16:28] Effulgent Brown: yeah but then there is turkey, what do the kurds do if turkey tries something
[16:28] Effulgent Brown: this is just a huge mess now
[16:28] Hayduke Ebisu: so bush today threatened Iran with military action... on NPR of all places
[16:28] Delia Lake: it was not only the british involved
[16:28] Effulgent Brown: the whole reigon
[16:28] Effulgent Brown: they say the plans to invade iran are on cheney's desk already
[16:29] Linda Finney: Dear Lord Save Us
[16:29] Effulgent Brown: this madness is spreading
[16:29] Man Michinaga: Well, From that, congress has to block the invasion.
[16:29] Charles Gemini: The British got Jordan and Iraq and Kuwait areas after WWI, France got Syria and Lebanon and these countries were created in European negotiations in Versaille and not by those peoples
[16:29] Effulgent Brown: he threatens iran and syria every chance he gets
[16:29] Keystone Bouchard: your website is beautiful Spider
[16:29] Keystone Bouchard: very inspiring
[16:29] Man Michinaga: What is your website?
[16:30] Spider Mycron: www.iraqhelp.org
[16:30] Spider Mycron: www.lifeheartbeat.com

Avatars Against The War - Part IV

And more:

[16:00] Hayduke Ebisu: spider... what will happen when the US pulls its army out
[16:00] Effulgent Brown: yeah, i dont think people know what its like there for the americans or iraqis
[16:00] Hayduke Ebisu: we are all protesting to get that to happen
[16:00] Spider Mycron: well..
[16:00] Spider Mycron: if the army work correct that will help
[16:00] Spider Mycron: but it work for big plan
[16:00] Spider Mycron: nothing true
[16:01] Spider Mycron: and now .. if us army leave .. a big hell will be on
[16:01] Spider Mycron: and iran will have the big region
[16:01] Kurukulla2 Ivory: if they would help make a true democratic society would this help you
[16:01] Spider Mycron: they will eat iraq
[16:01] Kurukulla2 Ivory: in your country
[16:01] Hayduke Ebisu: this is part of the problem
[16:02] Spider Mycron: if they are truly bring companies ... traders ... and secure it all
[16:02] Hayduke Ebisu: we have destabilized the region and if we pull out it gets a lot worse
[16:02] Hayduke Ebisu: if we stay it gets a lot worse
[16:02] Spider Mycron: that will really help the whole middle east and calm anything around
[16:03] Effulgent Brown: do you think iran is weak now, can they manage iraq, or are people in iran wanting iraq for themselves?
[16:03] Hayduke Ebisu: so spider... you believe that having stable companies in the region will help?
[16:03] Spider Mycron: iraqn just stupid country bad like poison
[16:03] Spider Mycron: they just wait to kick from back
[16:03] Spider Mycron: and they are the big problem
[16:04] Effulgent Brown: so they want to get revenge from the war?
[16:04] Kurukulla2 Ivory: you are talking about the governemnt or the people?
[16:04] Spider Mycron: yes they are just moving smooth like theaf
[16:04] Spider Mycron: government
[16:04] Spider Mycron: ppl are just me and u
[16:04] Kurukulla2 Ivory: :)
[16:04] Spider Mycron: :)
[16:05] Effulgent Brown: the president of iran has been making things worse, he is playing with bush
[16:05] Spider Mycron: yes ..
[16:05] Effulgent Brown: bush is like the iranian president, they are both nuts
[16:05] Effulgent Brown: they will kill people just to save face
[16:05] Spider Mycron: they like like to keep positions
[16:05] Spider Mycron: MONEY
[16:06] Linda Finney: Man is a college professor from Chicago
[16:07] Hayduke Ebisu: spider... please feel free to come join us on Commonwealth Island... you will find many people there that wish to support you
[16:08] Hayduke Ebisu: spider... something you can do
[16:08] Hayduke Ebisu: you should make a list of organizations that are actually helping people in Jordan and Iraq
[16:08] Hayduke Ebisu: many of us would like to support them
[16:08] Effulgent Brown: yes
[16:08] Spider Mycron: yes i can
[16:09] Hayduke Ebisu: it is the least we can do...
[16:09] Spider Mycron: even just real 3
[16:09] Spider Mycron: other are traders
[16:09] Keystone Bouchard: that's a great idea Hayduke
[16:09] Hayduke Ebisu: it is hard for many of us to think about what more we can do
[16:09] Effulgent Brown: any group is good
[16:09] Effulgent Brown: just put it in blogs
[16:09] Effulgent Brown: call news orgs and nag them about why they havent paid attention
[16:09] Effulgent Brown: send emails
[16:09] Hayduke Ebisu: also... if anyone here has any contact with First Life reporters... the media needs to hear Spider's story
[16:10] Hayduke Ebisu: spread the word
[16:10] Delia Lake: that would be helpful, Spider. it is difficult to sort it out from the news we get on this side
[16:11] Spider Mycron: i'm always on SL ... u can tach me any time u find me online
[16:11] Linda Finney: It all depends on how much Spider wants to talk
[16:11] Linda Finney: That's great that you will talk Spider
[16:11] Effulgent Brown: yes, anytime you are ready
[16:11] Keystone Bouchard: I think it's fascinating that we can all be together from all around the world, hearing someone from Iraq speak about the reality of the situation there -
[16:12] Charles Gemini: The betrayal of our civil liberties threatens our rights to protest under HR 1 just passed by the House of representatives, we need to let Congress know we won't stand for rolling back the First Amendment any more than we will tolerate their continued funding of this war!
[16:12] Spider Mycron: i like to speak what i live and see .. or speak what others can't breath to say
[16:12] Spider Mycron: yes i love SL
[16:13] Spider Mycron: and support sl and every way i can
[16:13] Spider Mycron: i give best chance for true dream
[16:13] Man Michinaga: What part of Jordan are you in, Spider?
[16:13] Spider Mycron: amman
[16:13] Spider Mycron: the capital

Avatars Against The War - Part III

Here are the 2nd 15 minutes of the chat with Spider Mycron:

[15:46] Hayduke Ebisu: many us want to help, we are not sure how... any ideas?
[15:46] Kurukulla2 Ivory: all of us!
[15:46] Effulgent Brown: you are speaking for them
[15:46] Charles Gemini: We can finish this by stoping the funding for this war!!! Get your Congressman to sponsor HR 543, get our troops out!
[15:46] Effulgent Brown: i dont know if people know how many have fled the country that word needs to get out to people
[15:46] Linda Finney: What does Spider think?
[15:46] Spider Mycron: yes those big money all for war
[15:47] Spider Mycron: they should be something to feed ppl
[15:47] Spider Mycron: and treatment
[15:47] Linda Finney: Basic necessities
[15:47] Spider Mycron: swear in God they can control it all
[15:47] Effulgent Brown: yeah, people can do what they can to bring attention to what is going on, to help
[15:47] Spider Mycron: but while the war continue money still come up
[15:47] Hayduke Ebisu: which organizations do you believe are on the ground helping people in Iraq and Jordan?
[15:47] Linda Finney: Have you seen any organizations that acted especially effectively?
[15:48] Spider Mycron: yes
[15:48] Spider Mycron: just few
[15:48] Spider Mycron: very few
[15:48] Effulgent Brown: people cant stay in iraq, its violent all the time now
[15:48] Spider Mycron: inside of iraq only
[15:48] Spider Mycron: about 3
[15:48] Linda Finney: Can you say any names
[15:48] Effulgent Brown: is red crescent still there?
[15:48] Spider Mycron: we helped one little girl to have free treatment in Qatar
[15:48] Spider Mycron: yes
[15:48] Spider Mycron: i have one name ... can't have it now but i can grap it my inventory
[15:49] Spider Mycron: but honest ppl help to help others
[15:49] Kurukulla2 Ivory: they are on the field! with you guys!
[15:49] Spider Mycron: simple help could be catch a ostpital to let other connect
[15:49] Effulgent Brown: yeah
[15:50] Effulgent Brown: the small stuff like medicine, and clean water
[15:50] Effulgent Brown: then electricity
[15:50] Effulgent Brown: hospitals and stuff like that need attention first, and security
[15:50] Kurukulla2 Ivory: and help for the children and family
[15:51] Effulgent Brown: i wonder if the military is being assigned to guard the hospitals in the same way as the oil ministry?
[15:51] Spider Mycron: they sell everything they get
[15:51] Spider Mycron: i miss some meaning in english
[15:51] Effulgent Brown: hmm
[15:51] Spider Mycron: but simple they are all big criminals and gang
[15:52] Spider Mycron: i mean my government , US army (who leads us army inside of iraq)
[15:52] Spider Mycron: it's a big big big company
[15:52] Effulgent Brown: hmmm we know about some companies there, they are making life worse for the people
[15:52] Effulgent Brown: blackwater a security company i dont think any laws control them
[15:53] Effulgent Brown: im just thinking out loud, sorry lol
[15:53] Spider Mycron: and i find many companies
[15:53] Spider Mycron: they build alot of big crazy projects by 100000s of US dollars
[15:53] Spider Mycron: but for what ?
[15:53] Spider Mycron: for army raesons
[15:54] Spider Mycron: like places to get rest for army
[15:54] Hayduke Ebisu: the internet itself was built by the army
[15:54] Spider Mycron: like they burn the money
[15:54] Effulgent Brown: yes the huge bases
[15:54] Hayduke Ebisu: Linden Lab (maker of Second Life) received DARPA funds
[15:54] Hayduke Ebisu: it's everywhere
[15:54] Effulgent Brown: they hide the money
[15:54] Kurukulla2 Ivory: what would you think if the petrol money was redistributed to your people instead
[15:54] Spider Mycron: they pay about 500.000 US dollars every day to support life
[15:54] Effulgent Brown: yes the military is in every thing
[15:55] Spider Mycron: but when u represent a project . they refused
[15:55] Spider Mycron: lool
[15:55] Kurukulla2 Ivory: to bring back your country
[15:55] Spider Mycron: they pay for example 10.000 US dollars
[15:55] Kurukulla2 Ivory: build it back
[15:55] Spider Mycron: and 2000 for one emplyer (iraqi)
[15:55] Spider Mycron: 1000 or 2000 for us army man .. or leader
[15:55] Spider Mycron: and others .. for others
[15:55] Spider Mycron: then they sign on .. yes we did the project for kids
[15:56] Effulgent Brown: hmm theres got to be something, a lawsuit or something,
[15:56] Kurukulla2 Ivory: what if it was invested in hospital and education?
[15:56] Effulgent Brown: i dont understand what the contract must look like for this scam
[15:56] Kurukulla2 Ivory: what do oyu feel your people are the most angry about?
[15:56] Spider Mycron: nothing in hospitals
[15:56] Spider Mycron: when patient go there he die
[15:57] Spider Mycron: and like animals .. 100 over 100
[15:57] Spider Mycron: i can't see that scene .. other told me always
[15:57] Spider Mycron: and if killing of something happen .. us army do nothing ... they don't secure or help
[15:57] Spider Mycron: they let fire take the other fire
[15:58] Effulgent Brown: is there a way to get cameras to the people
[15:58] Effulgent Brown: people here need to see
[15:58] Spider Mycron: i can bring photos
[15:58] Hayduke Ebisu: so spider... we were here today to ask the US Government to withdraw from Iraq
[15:58] Effulgent Brown: they need to get images out to the world of what is going on
[15:58] Hayduke Ebisu: what will that do to your country?
[15:58] Spider Mycron: images that no one can look for a second
[15:58] Hayduke Ebisu: if we are successful... if the US Army pulls out
[15:58] Effulgent Brown: even if the images are bad, they need to be out
[15:59] Effulgent Brown: people must see what they are participating in
[15:59] Spider Mycron: i worked by the usa army for 20 years
[15:59] Spider Mycron: was helping them to have invernet and contact families by phone to net
[15:59] Spider Mycron: i found nice smart gentle ppl
[16:00] Spider Mycron: but it's too sad to find they are die like nothing :(
[16:00] Spider Mycron: i found my self friend of all